Thursday, November 17, 2005

Has Hip Hop turned into Professional Wrestling??

As a hyperactive kid with the attention span of Robin Williams on cooked cocaine, nothing soothed my restless soul the way professional wrestling did. The same way being under the influence of something given to me by a local horticulture aficionado while watching a strippers breasts affects me now, nothing held my fascination like grown ass men hitting each other with chairs and shit. I can't tell you how many adolescent douche-bags I put a camel clutch on, or clotheslined mercilessly, or hit in the back with a chair in some random lunchroom because of the influence wrestling had on me. Watching Sargent Slaughter, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, Hulk Hogan, Leaping Lenny Poffo, the Iron Sheik, even Junkyard Dog.(I say "even" because my father didn't want me cheering for JYD, he would say "Why do they have the black guy being a fucking dog, I better not hear you cheer for that motherfucker". So around him I didn't, but around my friends I did.)

Even when my father said that "It wasn't real" I didn't particularly care, because these guys were skilled athletes and they were entertaining as fuck. Besides the athleticism behind it, with flying off the top rope and landing on their opponent making it look like they are crippling them but not really hurting them, and all the holds they had to perform and the choreography behind it, the best part was when the wrestlers would get in front of the microphone and talk shit about their next opponent. Like Randy Savage used to do in his pre-fight interview: "Ohhh Yeaah Hogan, I'm going to put a hurting on you like no man has felt before. Oooh Yeah, that's right brother, Your going down like Lil Kim in cell block D. Bring it Hogan, by the way, step into a motherfucking slim Jim!!!"(Minus the Kim and slim Jim reference obviously)

Hip Hop has kind of become like that to me, meaning the "every motherfucker has to have some back-story as their selling point and it's not real" part. Listen, back-stories have been around for as long as I remember, when Big Bank Hank on "Rappers Delight," said "..I got a Lincoln Continental and a sunroof Cadillac", we knew that he didn't have that shit. When NWA talked about gangsta life, shoot outs, killing cops, and any form of criminality that you can imagine, we all knew that they didn't do that shit.(Ice Cube came from a middle class family and was planning on going to college) Kool G Rap is a tough guy but we all know that he hasn't killed anyone(I think..), Nas either, or Jay-Z and any other guy who has lyrics depicting violence in some sort or another. I know this is going to sound crazy, but I don't mind a back-story with the individuals that I named because they actually had talent so it didn't matter to me. I mean, as long as you were a good M.C I could give a flying fuck what image you were trying to push upon the public. Give me a blazing 16 bars, a banging beat, dope flow, and you could claim to have bodies in your freezer and masturbate to "Golden Girls" episodes for all I care.

Granted, not much has changed concerning rappers having a back-story like professional wrestlers, but now it is more of an irritant because they don't have any recognizable talent to back it up. This became apparent a while ago when I tried to get to know a woman who worked for Def Jam "biblicly". I wined her, dined her, wanted to nakedly be behind her(Isn't that a Ice Cube lyric?), and probably could have sealed the deal if I lied and told her that I liked that motherfucker "Young Jeezy". See, for a while she was telling me about an artist on Def Jam named "Young Jeezy" and how "dope" he was. I knew something was up when she never went into detail about his lyrical skill, but went on and on about his background in the drug game and criminal past. As we both sat in her apartment sipping wine, knowing that within minutes I would get to see parts of her body that only her mother, doctors, and probably a million other motherfuckers like myself would get to see, she said a sentence that still haunts me when I'm horny as fuck: "Let me play you some Young Jeezy!" Sounds like an innocent enough sentence, she said he was "dope" and she had pretty good taste, I figured that this was just a speed bump en route to my cruising down the "Vagina Highway".

She played it, and like any Hip Hop fan with legitimate taste will tell you, you can tell that someone is garbage by their first line. The more I heard the madder I got, thinking about how she tried to sell me on his back-story like he was "The Rock" and shit, I suddenly wanted to put her in a wrestling move and make her wack music liking ass submit. After she played this Hip Hop monstrosity to me she asked me, "So HumanityCritic, what do you think? Dope isn't it" I knew that saying "It's wack" would prevent me from getting acquainted with her bedsheets and possible future late night visits where I drunkenly hump her and raid her fridge. I also knew that I needed ass, this girl was smoking, above my pay grade smoking, and lying to her and saying that it was quality music would break my streak of fucking chicken-heads that I won't let my boys meet.

It was quite the dilemma, I even thought that I heard that Jeopardy music in the background as I made my final answer, but in the name of Hip Hop, graph artists, B-Boys, and everyone that held true MC'ing close to their hearts I said: "To be honest, that shit sucks!! He's "dope"? Dope meaning that you would have to freebase cocaine in order to find his shit enjoyable, then I agree!" Her face dropped and that "I'm about to give your chubby ass some of this booty" look disappeared from her face and suddenly a "How can I get this dreadlocked bastard out of my house" look appeared. Suffice it to say I rarely talked to her again, so obviously me ever having sex with her was out of the question. So inadvertently, Young Jeezy cock-blocked me, non rapping fuck!

I'm not focusing in on Young Jeezy, but I went into that ass-less tale because rappers having some intricate back-story without the skill to back it up seems to be the trend nowadays. I guess 50 cent would be the obvious example of this because him getting shot 9 times and his drug dealing past is as important to some as any lyric that he ever put to paper. I know that he REALLY did get shot, and I guess he sold drugs, but when did your past become more important than your lyrical ability. Why is it only in Hip Hop that you find this idiocy, you don't go to a mechanic to get a new engine put in your car and his selling point was that he once was in a gang and pimped on the side. As long as that fucker knew what he was doing and was highly qualified, that's all that would matter. You don't go to a doctor to have major surgery and the reason why you chose him is because he once sold drugs and went to jail because of it. That shit is ridiculous.

Then you see people like Kanye West who doesn't really have a intricate back-story become successful, and he is hated on mercilessly by many, especially those who fancy themselves "Hip Hop writers." Listen, I'm not a Kanye West fan, but I look at him like the current war on Iraq, let me explain: Even though I can relate to why many people despise him and want to hate on him(Saddam), but there are people who are trying to damage Hip Hop and is the cause for its demise, so wouldn't your hatred be better focused on those individuals?(Osama-Lil John, Mike Jones, or those subpar fucks who sing that "I think they like me" bullshit) Just my two cents.

The sad thing is that I have heard people that I respect like Russel Simmons, go on and on about how important it was for a rapper to have a compelling story to be successful. Personally, no disrespect Russ, but I think that is bullshit because if I learned that a dude lived in his mothers basement, or had some fat trust fund, the only thing that I would care about is if he was dope or not. No back-stories. No costumes. No pre fight shit talking. If I wanted to see those things I would watch professional wrestling and relive my youth, possibly putting someone in a figure four leg-lock for old times sake.(I found out that applying said leg-lock to a lover is the quickest way to make her an "ex" lover. Just a helpful hint from HC.)

56 comments:

Zen Wizard said...

I agree on the similarities to Hip Hop, with the "dozens"-inspired put-downs and braggadacio.

In the Eighties, I would have said that COUNTRY was the soundtrack of professional wrestling, but maybe the demographics are changing.

Also, Country is strangely merging with Hip Hop. Reference:

http://www.bigandrich.com/

Jarrod Halsey said...

Very commendable. There are few things that will would turn me away from a hot piece of ass, but co-signing for Young Geezy is one of them. Are we in the fucking Twilight Zone? Why does wackness sell? I mean, Saigon is a legit MC with a serious past, but for some reason people prefer "Get It? Get It? Jeezy the Snowman!" to thought provoking, ill lyracism.

Someone kill me please.

Oliviasmommi said...

About the time my son asks for one of those "Snowman" t-shirts...I am gonna hurt someone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051105/ap_on_en_ot/snowman_t_shirt;_ylt=AtdcNjvg1LYkA92OQrLU7FpI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

chele said...

You make some really good points. Not only is Hip Hop being damaged by the "flash over substance" theory but the kids coming up seem to glorify more and more the criminal pasts and ignore just plain bad music.

BTW -- what do you mean Big Bad Hank didn't have a Lincoln Continental or a sunroof Cadillac?

DM said...

That's an interesting way to look at it...the industry feels like rappers ahve to graduate from the drug game in order to be qualified to emcee.

Remember when rappers went to college? Chubb Rock has fraternity members in his video. Kid N Play didn't want to hurt nobody. Now all these guys are doing the same thing. You used to have to have pedigree to be a rapper, now they taking high school dropouts and making them cool.

Shon said...

I believe what has happened, is you guys have ummm... increased in age. Allowing you to actually ponder on what has become of our youth. Sorta like your parents did with you.

Fuck it, yall gettin old man. They dont give a shit about lyrical content. They want to dry hump in the middle of a dance floor.

HC your 32, there is no way will still relate to teens and young adults anymore.

The Humanity Critic said...

I have to respectfully disagree with the "its all relative" and "its because you are getting older" theory, I don't think it applies to Hip Hop. For example, if I sat in a room with a 16 year old and we were judging two different rappers and their lyrical skill, I bet we would agree on who was better. Hip Hop, like basketball, is something where the skill level is recognizable, regardless of the time period.

IsLifeLame said...

Who the hell hasn't sold drugs man? Seriously, I should think of a good back story for my resume the next time I send it out.
Anyway, I'm not sure why you haven't talked about John Cena seeing that you've got the wresting rapping thing goin' here. He's got some tracks with Murs, Bumpy Knuckles (hilarious A-Team style video), Esoteric, etc. The ones I've heard aren't actually that bad. *Ducks throat chop*

indigo said...

i feel you. i was tryin to get w/ this chick and her favorite rappers were young jeezy and jody breeze. i just couldn't do it...

Andrea said...

I will never forget the day the most tight faced prime and proper lady at our horse barn gave me this long speal about why The Rock kicks ass.

Georgiapeach said...

Why am I the only one on your blog that represents for the south. This is ridiculous. Are you kidding me? Please. It's because you don't feel him that's all.
What you fell to realize is, that most down south rappers are not trying to be lyricist. We leave that up to ya'll Yankees. Half of the time I can't even understand what the hell some of ya'll so called lyricist be talking about. It is like they pick up a dicitionary and just to be different rant intellectual words. I take those last couple of sentences back, that was plain rude.
Jeezy is tight. Your just out the loop. Sorry but its the truth. I am straight from dat Eastside Decatur. Which Jeezy proudly represents. Come to Decatur. He is the voice of the streets. His lyrics, his beats are great representation of how we groove, how we chill, and how we roll in the Dec. Come to our clubs. Party downsouth style. If you were from the GA. You would feel him. Just like you probably would be into bass music.
And that is so shallow to diss a woman because of the music she listens to. If you are so "hip hop", you should embrace diversity not shun it. I could see if you dissed D4L or Dem Franshize Boyz, but Jeezy. You got's to be kidding me. The only thing I say that is bad about Jeezy is the fact that he lacks depth. That's all. Truth be told, I do admire up north rappers for there lyrical content. Ya'll really do talk about real things. But please don't be bias. Just like I had to take a moment and sit back and force myself to understand up north music, maybe you should too. I just listened to my first Jay-z (Reasonable Doubt?) cd this year and I really liked it. I am diggin that Az's cd right now too. If you need me to hip you to some real tight downsouth rappers that got meaningful lyrics to get you started. Let me know. But you know who is wack, rappers like Chingy, Mike Jones and Nelly.

Coffey0072 said...

Um..
(sheepishly raises hand, from the back of the classroom)...

Who is Young Jeezy?...

(everyone gasps and snickers)

Nevermind. I probably don't want to know anyway.

Christie said...

Umm, I'm from the south and Young Jeezy is wack as shit, and he doesn't represent me or the entire south. That being said, I love this fucking post.

miyna said...

yeah, um, good move on that one, for real. the love of 'Young Jeezy', even if it is fake, temporary love, isn't worth it.

i am so tired of all these so called Hip Hop artists out there that don't say anything. 5 minutes of runnin' yo' mouth, and you didn't have anything to say? please... give me Kane, Run DMC, KRS One, Chuck D, etc. any day over these fake ass rappers.

@ Shon - and you don't see young people not actually listening to the music they play, as well as dry humping on a dance floor while some wack-ass rapper is making up words to fill an album he had no business making in the first place, as a problem? this is a serious problem in the world of Hip Hop. yeah, we got older. big deal. there's good Hip Hop and what-the-hell-were-they-thinking Hip Hop, and the difference has nothing to do with the date of the album release, but the actual skill of the artist. HC is right - talent is talent. about 2% of rappers out there actually have any - and yeah, um, that's a problem.

@ coffey - give it a listen anyway. it's all relative, i guess.

The Humanity Critic said...

@ GeorgiaPeach: I hear what you are saying but I respectfully disagree. I think that music, regardless where the individual is from, should affect people from various parts of the country if it is good music. Being that you implied that I wouldn't know anything about Young Jeezy because I wasn't from Georgia doesn't really exploit an inadequacy in me, but in Young Jeezy's music to be totally honest.

Plus, I never said that one had to be a lyrical wordsmith(I think Biz Markie and Doug E fresh are legendary, both not known for their lyricism) to be relevant, they just put out some legitimate Hip Hop.

I think the part about her not sleeping with me because of what I didn't like got lost a bit. I might be a bit shallow, but I was willing to have sex with her even if her ass was president of the Young Jeezy fan club and shit. It wasn't based on her personal likes and dislikes.

I do consider myself "Hip Hop" and "diverse", meaning that I am for inclusion into the Hip Hop community from people of various walks of life. But, that doesn't mean that I should nod my head in agreement to something that I consider blatantly wack in the sake of diversity. I can't do that.

Lastly, I have to go back to this "bias" issue and not liking the music because I'm not from there. I was a big "Geto Boys" fan, I'm not from Houston or know anything about how they roll or they environment, but I loved that shit. "Outkast" has been my shit from day one, but I couldn't tell you anything about Georgia, even if you held a gun to my head. "Eightball and MJG" are also one of my personal favorites, and I don't know anything about Memphis, only that Elvis was from there. The one thing that relates with all those southern artists, and the reason that they related to this "Yankees" eardrum is that it was good music. If you can touch people and have them relate to your specific struggle, then you are a good artist. I respect your love for Young Jeezy, but my contempt for him isn't based on his geographic location, just lack of skill.

Georgiapeach said...

Damn HC, did you say you liked Eightball and MJG? Aww, okay. Enough said. I respect your opinion. Hell, I'm turned on now. I love that shit!!!

DP said...

The fact that a chronic masturbator would sooner beat off than lie on his eardrums speaks volumes to the respect I have for you as a man and as a critic.


and to think I was already writing a hip-hop post tonight...now i MUST...

Great post...

Georgiapeach said...
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Luke Cage said...

I love it when you do a hip hop post man. The stuff you speak about is always from the heart. I listen to alot of old hip hop stuff now. Hell, this morning I was jamming to LL Cool J "My Rhyme Ain't Done" on the way to work. I'm completely out of the loop when it comes to the new artists today. I only know alot the material is sing songy with catchy little hooks with very little panache or style.

I remember hearing mix tapes from 50 Cent before "Get Rich or Die Trying" came out and he was way more lyrical than the material he puts out on records now. Right up there with a Nas and a Jay-Z! For real man. But he has gone on record saying that he changed his style so that he could stand out among the crowded NYC hip hop "lyrical" scene of the time and it's now become his trademark to slow down his rapping style and keep it simple.

I'm falling out on how you had to rep and tell the truth on Young Jeezy (Who???) to ol' girl. Funny stuff. Never knew you loved ol' school wrestling. You brought back memories with the camel clutch and my man Superfly Snuka! High flying azz..lol. Enjoy the weekend HC. RIP to Eddie Guerroro! Godspeed Eddie.

Icey said...

Though I got and agreed with the entire post, when I read "Vagina Highway" *dead*

African girl, American world said...

Intersting thoughts. I agree with the back story mess but wish you could have left the whole 'getting some' scenario out. We have serial_dater for that.

Jarrod Halsey said...

GA Peach, you just contradicted your own comments. 8ball and MJG are true lyracists. So are Outkast, Ludacris, Lil Wayne, Scarface and UGK. I'm from NY but I live in the south now and it is safe to say that Jeezy gets all his fame solely on the fact that he is rich and gangster. I mean, let's get fa serious real quick. Lyracism isn't just a component of hip-hop, its the BASIS for it. If you are a famous rapper and you are a weak lyracist, you are getting by purely on a gimmick.

Georgiapeach said...

Jarrod, please check the bio first before you try to check me on my contradictions. You really need to check my September 23, 2005 post. You will really feel like a JACKASS! BTW, there are no contradictions in my statement. Next time don't be so quick to judge so hastily. At least check that person's favorite music category first.

http://comingouthardandboutit.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_comingouthardandboutit_archive.html

Georgiapeach said...

Now that I have re-read my comment. Yours really doesn't make any sense. When did I say there wasn't any tight rappers downsouth? I even offered to hip HC to some tight downsouth music (which he is obviously knows about already). To me, there is a difference between a lyricist and a rapper. A lyricist focuses on lyrical content and strategies. A rapper just flows with it. Most people fail to differentiate between the two. That is the overall message I was trying to convey. Jeezy is a skilled rapper. Whether you would call him skilled or not. I dont care. He is not to be put in the same category as NAS, JAY Z, MOS DEF and etc.
And did your say he only made it because he is rich and gangster. Come on. 90% of the hip hop game potrays themselves as rich and gangster. Your trippin over there.

Oh, and personally Lil Wayne is not a true lyricist. Half the shit he says doesn't make sense. The only reason I believe your saying that, is because he calls himself one. So please don't tell me your one of those people that think T.I is the King of the South or Ashanti is the Princess of R&B.

Brother OMi said...

"this girl was smoking, above my pay grade smoking"

i agree with you brother man. its about skillz at the end of the day... if you got it i don't care what you did. (there are exceptions to that rule)

Brother OMi said...

and Young Jeezy is a good example of wackness....

Jarrod Halsey said...

We can keep on arguing back and forth. That doesn't change the fact that outside of the artists I mentioned (and I fogot T.I., who ain't quite the King of the South, but Jeezy ain't fit to carry his jock strap) southern rappers are wack. The beats are hot and they yell very loud. THAT'S IT! Why this distinction between MCs and rappers? When I see that, all I think is the rappers are getting by on gimmicks and the MCs are getting by on talent.

Yes 90% of rapper portray themself as rich and gangster. But atleast some of these dudes got lyricism to back it up.

Jeezy is just wack.
"Patty cake patty cake microwave
These suckas make a square, god damn I'm paid
I'm so cool but I'm so hot and I'm so fly and you is so not "

No need to take my commenst personally. There is no way anyone telling me that Jeezy is skilled will make me feel like a jackass no matter how many comments I read.

Georgiapeach said...

Jarrod you totally lost your credibility with the Lil Wayne is a true lyricist statement. Nuff said.

Shon said...

I do understand why the realization of your age can creep up on you. I am not just referring to HC. Most of you are probably 30+. Why do you think these artist sell millions of cd's every year? Young People like it. Please do not take this the wrong way. I love your blog and have much respect for everyone who post their opinions, but dude, your not 20 anymore. People will say sir and ma'm to you. It makes a BIG difference. They are not selling millions of records to their closest family and friends. Times have changed. Clothes, music, style, everything. What does the majority of 16 year olds know about lyrical content? NOTHING, they dont care.
It has everything to do with the date of release. Music released in the late 80's and 90's, you will enjoy more than the music released present day. What music do you enjoy that was released after 2003?

You may not buy the relative to time theory, and neither did your parents when hip hop first began.
For the record, I love "Old" School Hip Hop but not the same way I enjoy the music I hear on the radio.

Mai
The youth I am refering to in the clubs are 18 and over, they can dry hump whomever they please.

There really is no reason to debate. Everything stated here is based on opinions. The only truth is that your getting old....er, and you can go for two minutes (which is some bullshit). Have you ever tried jacking off first? You know getting that first nut out of the way can be the trick.

DJ Ho said...

Loved the post - very entertaining. I feel ya on lot of the stuff you're saying. When I watched Tupac/Biggie documentary, sure it showed me that weren't thugged out and may not have lived the lives they talked about.......but that doesn't change the force/substance of the lyrics. They are still dope. I think it is about skill, the ability to tell a story, to connect with the listener, to entertain and be witty, that is more important than their street credentials.

And for all y'all down south fans, I can't stand your music. I've tried listeninig it but it just ain't for me - it's prolly because I grew up listening to east and west coast artists, and that stuff just sounds totally differnt.

Excellent posts but you forgot to mention Andre the Giant, the Killer bees, British Bulldogs, and the Mean Machines, all of my favourite 80's wrestlers!!!!!

Quest4love said...

HC, as always, you represent for true HipHop, not rap music which is NOT the same thing. Living in Atl, the downsouth music does grow on you, even being from NY. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that, as Jarrod said, lyricism is a major component of hiphop. Lyricism is a major "make or break" point of whether or not an artist has skills or not. Outkast, Luda, and 8Ball and MJG are all skilled, both for their flow and for lyrics; their style as a whole. The south has it's own style, but that style cannot expect to be considered "hot" if you are taking lyrical content into consideration. Plenty of hot beats come from the south, and Young Jezzy is riding hard on that fact, but lyrically dude sucks.

riny_a said...

@ Shon... Jeezy... sucks plain and simple.. age has nothing to do with it... I am 24... and he sucks...

borrowed from Jarrod Halsey comment:

"Patty cake patty cake microwave
These suckas make a square, god damn I'm paid
I'm so cool but I'm so hot and I'm so fly and you is so not "

What skill is required to produce that garbage... a four year old could do it with ease...

Inside Man said...

I guess I am part of the few that likes Young Jeezy also, but that shouldn’t smoke screen the fact I'm a grass roots hip hop fan with major cred. One liability I believe major hip hop heads have is that we look for that encyclopedia flow in everyone.
You’re not always going to get that. One thing that serves as a proxy for suddle rhymes is style. Style can help you paint the artistic picture just as well as lyrics can. Jeezy has style, in fact, it's even authentic to the region he's in. Their are other choice rappers who have made incredible albums that were suspect with lyrics but the energy and style made it more kinetic. i.e. Noreaga: N.O.R.E, Tupac, DMX: It's Dark and..., 50 Cent: Get Rich.., Jeezy: Thug Motivation.., and things of that nature. I label it block music because it's cool to put your windows down and ride to it.

Another point I must add is that a lot of hip hop heads brand true hip hop that is either east coast, or is of another region that sounds like it's east coast. Tha Alkaholiks, Alchemist, Slum Village, Lil Brother, Tha Pharcyde, Common, Souls of Mischief, Xzibit, and even Kanye lack authenticity to their region. Most of their records sound east coast and even had primarily east coast producers on them. Don't get me wrong because I love each of those artist those artist to death but sometimes I think their is elites behavior when it comes to recognizing true southern, Midwest, and west coast music. Their should be a middle spectrum for all, instead I always hear about the throwback days when most hip hop was based out of NYC. No disrespect but it has evolved since then. Their has been some classics that never receive mention because they didn't fit the billing for "true hip hop." Example:

Witchdoctor: S.W.A.T.S Healing..
Twista: Ardelinine Rush
8Ball & MJG: In My Life Time..
UGK; Riding Dirty
Juvenile: 400 Degrees

I'm a make a final point that may strike a cord with some people but I have to say that a portion of back packing hip hop heads are geeks and come from a variety that may have never lived the urban experience. Better yet, the minority experience because raps core is founded on the struggle of urban America. I’ve been to the Roots, Talib Kweli, Wu-Tang, Mos Def, N.E.R.D., Nas, and Common's concerts and could count on my hand how many my own were in attendance. That audience really has no relationship with the street element of hip hop therefore hate on everything that may sound politically incorrect. In the street, Jeezy is thumpin in East and West B-More hard. Bun B is thumpin too. Southern hip hop is aggressive and very urban influenced and fits a stringent target audience. Back stories? I think those are all label politics.

Sorry for filling up the comments space man but I always enjoy a healthy debate about hip hop. Good post

Georgiapeach said...

I think I just feel in love with you KG. Couldn't say it better.

Georgiapeach said...

I am really diggin your comment KG. I loved your choice of downsouth albums. Loved it!!! That's me all the way. And what do you know about some Witchdoctor? Hell to the naw!..lol Let me be so frank, if I could fuck that response I sure would. I don't know, it something about a man I can finally relate to in cyberspace that really gets me hott! It is so rare to actually have someone that digs the same things that you like. And I am special and different kind of woman. Thanks KG!

I am Jack said...

First off, Lil Jeezy is straight horseshit but that is my personal opinion.

I don't think HC ever stressed that a MC must have a vast vocabulary in order to considered a good MC.(I even think he pointed out tow MC's, Doug E Fresh and Biz, both of him weren't very lyrical)

Skill isn't always determined upon being a word wizard, but from Day one skills were and will always be a prerequisite to being a true MC. Lil Jeezy lacks on all fronts if you ask me, and no disrespect KG but Jeezy wouldn't know style if it bit him on the ass. He's wack, and the way he seems to promote his image over his talent just highlights that point. To add insult to injury, that miserable fuck said that he wasn't down with the whole "bumping on the table and rhyming thing." Huh? That's like a hip hop rite of passage and he is disrespecting that?? That's like a basketball player questioning the importance of a jump-shot. Jeezy is doo-doo, doo-doo after eating Mexican food for that matter.

Hip Hop was founded on a way to stop gang violence peacefully in New York. Making it sound that you have to really experience urban plight to be considered a Hip Hop head is insulting, and also a horrible way of back door apologizing for the wackness of Young Jeezy.

As a black man I can say that white cats flocking to Hip Hop shows doesn't show a disconnect with those artists from black youth, its just black youth like bullshit. Let me tell you, whenever I go to a blues show, or a jazz show, nothing but white folks. You know why? Because the black folks are seeing garbage like Young Jeezy(or the jazz or blues equivalent.)

Inside Man said...

i am jack - very great point indeed. all that i stress is thier be balance in hip hop.respect

georgiapeach - "if I could fuck that response I sure would"

Dayum, now you have given me expectaions..lol!

mai said...

@ shon - never said they couldn't, just making commentary on the state and status of the music being played that people can't think of anything else to do while listening to it. not trying to say anything about the people listening, really. and Young Jeezy still sucks ass. but whatever, no debate, just addressing your statement, however unclear i might have been. however, that still doesn't change the fact that the quality of Hip Hop has been declining for some years (hopefully that'll change). i (and i'm sure lots of us here) do listen to music made today, even though there isn't much being said - it's true, sometimes all you want is something to dance to.

piranha said...

wow, thats a hot discussion in here! cool, it shows that you people are passionate about it, and if you ask me (you didn't, i know i know.;-) i think thats a good thing in the first place. no matter whether or not you love whack music or good music, if you love it it is a good thing.
because thats what is important in the end of the day (yeah, brother obi, in the end of the day skillz are important too, but then again, love is mor important isn't it...)
whereas it makes me doubt somebody's taste, too, when they feel love for sth i think is totally whack i still respect that they can feel passion...
as long as i don't have to listen to that shit 24/7.....

ahh, HC, i love when you talk about hiphop. it s like i can sneak a glance into a room that is really exciting and glowing and shit....i love what i consider to be good hiphop and i love to hear what you think about it....

good post!

piranha

Reddy said...

Woah.. funny ass story man..

Reminds me of the time I was at a party and emberassed the shit outta my friends because my "hop-hop" ass couldn't hold my tounge and agree that a certain wack ass artist was dope.. The other "sheep" in the room were going on and on about his skill and I just had to open my mouth.. After the longest silence in history a grown ass "man" threatened to whip my ass and told me to get the fuck out of his house..

People take that music thang serious.. like the time I kicked my homie's boyfriend out of my home for daring to say Method Man was wack "at the height of wu tang's popularity"

Yes these are old ass stories from the mid 90's, cuz there's nobody out there worth fighting for anymore.. I dont give a damn what anybody says about hiphop.. That heffa is long past life support..

Ya shoulda sucked it, bobbed your head to jeezy, and got some ass. (i'm upset with myself for even typing it)

Shon said...

Damn Georgia,I was going to say that.

@KG I agree, I couldn't have stated it better.

@Mai I feel you mami

@I am Jack.............

Kenya said...

Jeezy is garbage...it doesn't matter how you want to put he just plain sucks. Nuff said. Great Post HC...Amen is all I have to say

ella m. said...

Let's not forget that a lot of the paper thugs with no real lyrical skill sell massively due to kids in the suburbs who want to live vicariously while diving in the SUV their rich parents bought them.

The major labels then pushed more crap in a similar vein, to the point where even a subsection of hip hop fans (particularly the young) started cosigning on it.

I belong to a hip hop focused messageboard and all manner of bullshit (jeezy, lil jon, the assholes responsible for that "laffy taffy" song) gets a pass like it's the second coming of the greatest rappers ever.

A* said...

Dayum you just had me having flashbacks of Tony Atlas, Rocky Balboa, and the Ultimate Warrior. FOr the record Randy Savage is a nice muthafuka...So you point is well made cause these heads in hip-hop are nuthin but hot ga'bage. Thanks fo not selling out for the bootay...Integrity is a hum dinger aint it.

Funny just this past week I saw a commercial on MTV (for what I dont even know) but it was a young brother talking bout early 90's hip-hop and how those back-stories and lyrics inspired him to do stoopid *ish and eventually get locked up.

I miss the essence, i dunno what half this crap is out today...a mirage maybe, definately not the real thang.

Brotha Buck said...

Excellent analogy

Soho Diva said...

I agree with you and dood you are funny but c'mon do you really think a back story is not necessary? It's all apart of the appeal people want to be lied too.

I am Jack said...

@ Shon: another satisfied customer I see....

Mahogany Elle said...

*Clapping* This was fab. Some of the things that you think of are just, well, great :)

Brother OMi said...

i consider myself a hip hop afcionado. I love UGK and they don't do "encyclopedia" rhymes. I like Sean Price and he doesn't do encyclopedia rhymes. he does "thug" raps.

it goes down like this: its not what you it's how you do it.

heads like Young Jeezy, Slim Thug, Puffy, and Lil' Kim just don't do it for me. they have no flavor ... they have no skill and just bite all day.

like Immortal Technique said
"you sell a million records has nothing to do with luck/it just means a million motherf**ers are stupid as f**k"

Alvin Hotchkins said...

So, I decided I didn't really have anything to say about this post, but I'm digging the blog and will probably link you up soon.

Plus, I wanted you to get 50 comments. That way, you have a back story to your next blog, which I expect to be total crap...

But hey, it's alright because you have clout. Call yourself 50 Comment.

MAXUS said...

The only thing worse than these rappers talking all this stuff about having been to jail, dealing drugs, etc., is the r&b singers following in their footsteps. Like Akon singing, "you can find me on the block disobeying the law..." Dumbass, THAT'S WHAT GOT YOU LOCKED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Jdid said...

interesting post. to be honest I think BET and urban radio is influencing me so that I actually think that the beats these cats have are half decent but i can recite biggie, mobb deep, krs, kane, brand nubian, gang starr, fugees, and nas lyrics verbatim because they have lyrical content. no matter how much i hear thse young cats i cant do that. and before anyone says i'm an old dude, i am but i respect a young cat who can rap its just i dont see alot of what is hitting the airwaves right now as showcasing any talent

Girlffriend A said...

Wow H. C this is the first time I really saw some really heated arguments on this blog. Your going to have to get your own official site soon brethren...

Girl With An Alibi said...

"Why is it only in Hip Hop that you find this idiocy, you don't go to a mechanic to get a new engine put in your car and his selling point was that he once was in a gang and pimped on the side. As long as that fucker knew what he was doing and was highly qualified, that's all that would matter. You don't go to a doctor to have major surgery and the reason why you chose him is because he once sold drugs and went to jail because of it. That shit is ridiculous."

LOL. You are so dead on with that post it just amazes me.

teddy bryant said...

big ups kid you right bet is wac it looks likje video soul. what ever happend to the real hip hop. southern rap is soo wack i hate it when they call it hip hop. we need more cats like sv, jay dilla, little brother, mos def, the roots, pete rock, common, and raw digga. real hip hop will return its a wrap for all these young jezzy wanna be gangstas and hustlers, and club bunnies.

MusikLuva said...

KG...u must be be between 28 & 35. I'm definitely feeling your comments. It's the lil young kats that are try'n to make it as though this garbage is hiphop. They didn't experience the fact that hiphop had to go against the grain to even get recognized. Sure you had NWA & Ice T in the West being agressive, but LA is still a gang capital. They were just expressing what they lived through and saw on a daily basis. It takes all kinds to have a movement. Malcolm was agressive; Martin was smart. They both had the same goal though. These days, I don't know what the problem is. Yes I do. The corporate beast has realized they can pimp hiphop. Until we start making them PAY BIG....garbage will continue to flow.